I don't think those motors are any good. IIRC they are not planetary gearbox and have tiny weak gears I don't think they would last very long at all. _________________ Steven Martin
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Sun May 08, 2011 4:13 pm
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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That's correct, they have spur gears and are only 160 rpm @ 12V - even if they were run on 24V they would be far too slow. For their cost of $45, you could get a cordless drill, possibly even a hammer drill if you shop around.
Its been quite a while since a hammer bot has competed in NSW, I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
Sun May 08, 2011 4:27 pm
Jaemus Experienced Roboteer
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Yes, gratz on getting involved! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with too _________________ <Patrician|Away> what does your robot do, sam
<bovril> it collects data about the surrounding environment, then discards it and drives into walls
Sun May 08, 2011 6:52 pm
frogbiscuit
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Been lurking in the shadows for a while, didn't want to come out in the open til I had something concrete. Thanks for the welcome aboard.
Thanks for heads-up on Jaycar motors. At 45 bucks a shot I expected a bit more ruggedness. So how do they break? Is it the hits from the opponents or just stress from self-generated torque? Fortunately so far I only got 2 and am doing belly-up static tests.
I really don't think they are worth event thinking about. There is some pretty enormous impact loads on the motors.
I would disassemble them and take a look at the gears.
Do you have a cordless drill you can pull apart for robot use? Look at the gears inside it and then remember that all 3 of those gears are sharing the load. And its quite common to break both plastic and metal gears...... _________________ Steven Martin
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Mon May 09, 2011 1:03 am
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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The other issue with that motor is the output shaft - it looks like about 5 to 6 mm and is really likely to bend if you mount a wheel directly to it. The stall current is quite low compared to a drill. so it's not likely to have much pushing power compared to a dill motor.
Mon May 09, 2011 4:44 am
frogbiscuit
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Ok, point taken, toss the J-motors. My own people tried to tell me, ouch.
Mon May 09, 2011 5:21 am
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Check out this thread if you haven't already. http://robowars.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1576
If you buy in bulk, you can source the drill motors and gearboxes for a decent price. I'm about to bulk order a few myself in a week or two, so let me know if your interested in ordering with me to cut down on postage. _________________ https://www.halfdonethings.com/
Mon May 09, 2011 8:21 am
frogbiscuit
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Enticing, lemme think about it.
My only concern is that it'd mean massive redesign. There are size & weight considerations, I'm already dangerously close to Lightweight territory.
Got 6 motors on 3 bogies in a tricycle arrangement. Makes for onmi-directional travel, I gotta have strafe.
Mon May 09, 2011 8:35 am
Jaemus Experienced Roboteer
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haha, awesome!
EDIT: no wonder the custom controller then _________________ <Patrician|Away> what does your robot do, sam
<bovril> it collects data about the surrounding environment, then discards it and drives into walls
Mon May 09, 2011 8:38 am
frogbiscuit
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One?!
There are 5 microcontrollers. One for each bogie, one for the weapon and one uber-brain.
This may be a lumbering behemoth, but I'm sure having fun.
Mon May 09, 2011 8:42 am
Jaemus Experienced Roboteer
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fantastic _________________ <Patrician|Away> what does your robot do, sam
<bovril> it collects data about the surrounding environment, then discards it and drives into walls
Mon May 09, 2011 9:03 am
frogbiscuit
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You happen to know the external dimensions of these Ryobi motor-gearbox assemblies?
Mon May 09, 2011 9:27 am
Knightrous Site Admin
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quote:Originally posted by frogbiscuit:
You happen to know the external dimensions of these Ryobi motor-gearbox assemblies?
Team Rolling Thunder have a Solidworks CAD drawing that should be pretty close to the same dimension.
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