Are consumables counted when a robot is weighed |
Yes, the tanks must be full |
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No, the tanks can be empty |
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30% |
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Ajax
Experienced Roboteer
Joined: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 298
Location: Sydney
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There can be no comparison regarding safety for a closed pneumatic system compared to an open pneumatic system. The only common denominator is the tank.
Especially when one is using low pressures <100psi and the other >100psi (more than likely 250psi for a pneumatic launcher) this excludes the tank.
There are safety item that need to be addressed for both setups but need to be addressed differently. For the simple reason of the designs are different.
For a
closed system,
yes a shut off value and bleed valve, etc, etc is needed.
As at all times when air is on there is part of the system that is pressurized when sitting idle. (Excluding the tank)
But Stealth’s system is an
open port system.
In other words the only point of high pressure is in the tank. The rest is vented and there is no pressure present in the system when sitting idle.
Another thing is that a soda stream system regulates the output pressure and flow to make it safe for a domestic use. (not sure of spec) I could not imagine it outputting at the max tank pressure for a domestic use. Simple fact of safety
I do believe that this would pass Australia regulations if it did.
With, should the tank be full or not at weigh in.
I think it would be unfair for everyone else if it was not a full tank at weigh in.
Just because the co2 is vented during the match doesn’t mean that it should not be counted as weigh.
The more mass spinners and ram bots have to hit the more self inflicting damage occurs due to extra mass. Even thou it is only 600g about. This would increases the self inflicting damage considerably. (I haven’t don the calcs)
You choice to build a Flipper (High powered flipper,)
I choice to build a spinner (High powered spinner)
In both robots there are
Drive train, wheels, speed controller, battery pack for drive, frame,
Then you install pneumatic cylinder, solenoids, regulator, tubing, fitting etc, control cct, co2 tank
I install mag motor, weapon bar, clutch, solenoid, wiring, heavy duty switch, control cct, extra battery packs
Now to get the pneumatics to work, you need co2.
To get a mag motor weapon to work you need extra batteries.
If there is a weight bonus for extra co2 why shouldn’t there be a weight bonus for extra batteries.
It comes down to PRO’s and CON’s for weapon choice.
Vented gas reducing weight during a match is a CON
Extra batteries to run a weapon is a CON
Throwing a robot 4 feet in the air is a PRO
Spinning a 2 x 500g ball of steel at 3000 rpm within 1.5 sec is a PRO
Reduced armor for both types of robots is a CON
This is the sport, pro’s and con’s for different designs.
To get a more powerful weapon something else must be reduced.
And for a different design then the EO’s are the ones that make a decision.
Therefore if you don’t want to have the gas weight counted become an EO _________________ It's all about the destruction.
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:47 pm |
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