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which weekend is most favoured ?
long weekend 31/9 to 2/10
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weekend 6/10 to 8/10
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Valen
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hmm board cant hack HTML
post soon

Results of "round robin"
http://www.vapourforge.com/robowars/resultsm21.htm

Open Office Format
http://www.vapourforge.com/robowars/resultsm21.ods

PDF
http://www.vapourforge.com/robowars/resultsm21.pdf

to read
find the bot you want, eg jolt, in the vertical list, to see how it went against the other bot, find that one in the horisontal list eg cobra.
the scores are the average of 5 judges results

the average column is the average score for that bot for the day.
orbit has no average as its fight against cobra was too quick to get scores that mean anything ;->

a 1 in the win field means the bot won that fight.
its possible to loose the fight but still win on points. "thats loosing with style"

Found an error with the scoring, missed averaging a score it'll be fixed soon

ok all fixed if you have already looked at it, force refresh to get the changes, hold ctrl and press refresh.
error was in jolts score against roadkill.
Fixed averaging error in roadkills score against jolt
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Post Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:46 pm 
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So nothing happeneing tomorrow then I take it ?
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Wouldn't think so... I think we're having the next event in a months time though so that's ample time for people to have a bot actualy complete when they arrive at the event Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Laughing quiet u
nah deathwish only needs a few more hurs work then its done
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Post Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:28 pm 
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Here are some pics from today.

Plan G . *The bastard child*:


Prometheus (pretty damn cool for a first effort!):


The new Orbit (damn... better than before that's for sure!!!):


Roadkill (pre jolt top tearage)


Close up of cobra after jolt:


Rolling Eyes That's it from me...
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^ that side damage was jolt Wink the orbit one is on the back, ill grab a pic tommorow of that
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Ok, so there were only 6 one vs one fights during the day?
Jolt vs Cobra
Jolt vs Roadkill
Plan G vs Cobra
Plan G vs Roadkill
Orbit vs Cobra
Roadkill vs Prometheus

I should be able to pick out who won from Jake's table, but its missing one important piece of information before I can start calculating the rankings. Can someone please rearrange the fights listed above in the order that they happened during the day.

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i faced cobra twice and won both times and was in a three way against cobra and jolt but not sure who won that
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But Jakes table only shows you fighting Cobra once.
You fight Cobra twice but no other robots in a one on one fight. Strange round robin you guys have.

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Their second match was decided as a grudge match, it was not counted.
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yah i didnt know order was important sorry.
i believe it was
jolt cobra
plan-g roadkill
plan-g cobra
roadkill promethius
orbit cobra
jolt roadkill

but I could well be totally wrong about that.
What do people think of the scoring system?
in future we dump style of course ;->
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Looks like Cobra took a few hits.
Would've liked to have been there, but I had to work - not that it matters, as I don't have a bot.

Re the movie - things are progressing v.v. slowly. Too boring to go into, but if anyone's interested, I've emailed Jeff the latest general stuff, or I might put up a general post - seeing as the last one was so uncontroversial lol.

Like Waddy the Phoenix said, I will be a thief in the night with a black hood and a butt plug - or something like that. Will be away flogging the script 22- 29/10, but hope to get there next meet.

Cheers & best to all

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quote:
Strange round robin you guys have.


I have to agree for this event - it was stranger than usual. We had a partial round robin event and used scoring sheets to decide winners for each match. The averages for each bot's matches were calculated to get placings without having every bot fight every other bot.

There were three major problems with this:

The Cobra vs Orbit match was deemed un-scorable as Orbit KOed Cobra in about 10 seconds and KOed it again in 20 seconds for the rematch. Orbit got zero points for the day as this was it's only match. Based on "averages", total ownership in one match should have made Orbit the winner for the day - Andrew achieved the impossible in beating the series leader twice inside 10 minutes.

The other problem with this scoring is in not recognising forfeits. In the final scheduled match of the day, it was Jolt vs Cobra - after we loaded-in twice Glen had to concede due to electrical problems, yet this match was not even recorded in the scores. In the double elimination tree system or in the full round-robin system from the last event, this would have simply been a win for Jolt.

The last problem is one I would rather gloss over; tap-outs. In my first match against Cobra, I had to tap out for safety reasons before the weapon bar spun off and possibly knee-capped someone. Jolt still scored a few points and I bent Cobra's top a little, but this is completely outweighed by having to tap out, which is equivalent to a TKO by the other bot - I should have received less. By the same token, all matches that are decided by a forfeit or TKO should have a standard points allocation.

Proposal:
I propose that we go back to the old voting system for both double elimination and round robin systems. Matches that go a full three minutes get voted on, while matches that are knock-outs or forfeits go to the dominant bot by 10 points vs. 1 to the loser. This is where we where at for the last few years and the system has worked well in the past.

I would also like to propose that when we have a round robin event, all the competitors HAVE to fight everyone else unless they are incapacitated. This is the most accurate way to determine a winner and worked perfectly at the previous event. If there are too many bots to run round robin, then we go directly to double elimination.

Final proposal is to have a registration deadline like the US. That way, we can decide ahead of the event what type of scoring system to use without surprising anyone.
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Any vids guys Question
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Roadkill vs Plan G

http://glen.botclips.net/Marayong%2021/Plan%20G%20vs%20Roadkill.wmv

Orbit vs Cobra 1 (all 6 seconds of it XD)

http://glen.botclips.net/Marayong%2021/Orbit%20vs%20Cobra%20.wmv

Orbit vs Cobra 2 (another 10 second wonder)

http://glen.botclips.net/Marayong%2021/Orbit%20vs%20cobra%202.wmv

Orbit vs Jolt vs Cobra

http://glen.botclips.net/Marayong%2021/Orbit%20vs%20cobra%20vs%20jolt.wmv

no one got the plan g vs cobra, prometheus vs roadkill. and someone taped over the roadkill vs jolt about half way through. argh.
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