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Spockie-Tech
Site Admin
Joined: 31 May 2004
Posts: 3160
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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the english FRA ruleset is just a slightly modified version of the American RFL rules
www.botleague.com
, which is what the Robowars rules
http://www.robowars.org/info-rules.html
are based on as well. Its a sensible, minimal ruleset that doesnt get bogged down in silly detail.
The FRA annoyed me a bit by not admitting that their rules are 90% a direct copy of the RFL rules, despite the fact that the RFL allows other people to use their work and only asks that you acknowledge your rules as being based on theirs. The guys who manufacture the "Dogs Bollocks" speed controllers in the UK did the same thing, and ripped off the OSMC design for their controllers in direct contravention of the GPL requirements that only asks that you acknowledge their contribution in your work and release any derivitive works under the GPL as well.. they seem to have a problem with giving any credit to anyone other than themselves over there.
Regardless I agree that having a common-as-possible ruleset that allows bots to compete in different compeitions with minimal on no changes is a good idea, and didnt mean to imply that the FRA was trying to dictate to us, in fact I havent heard anything at all from them as you imagined..
I'm just allergic to anyone trying to set themselves up as "The Authorities" and tend to foam at the mouth a bit whenever it looks like happening.. just ignore my rants if I get carried away..  
As far as soz-bots or antweights go, there seems to be very little interest in them down-under at the moment, which is why there is no clear consensus on which rules we should adopt here. regardless of their engineering skills and hi-tech carbon fibre armour and neodynium motors, they just dont seem to inspire much respect from anyone except the builders of them because they are generally smaller even than RC cars, and so are seen as more "toylike" than a decent sized chunk of metal sporting a big weapon.
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Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:20 pm |
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Glen
Experienced Roboteer
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 9481
Location: Where you least expect
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nothing like grilled fajitas is there 
ive been following the US antweights for a while now (hence why i keep trying, and failing lol, to build little spinner robots) and they really are a high caliber class of robots. look at OFBC these days, milled out of a billet of magnesium, 18v Kokam lipolies and two motors bevel gear driving the shell which is 160 odd grams or some thing like that.
not appealing to the public im sure but none the less my interest in them is still rampant and now that the keros have started to build them, well then i now have an excuse! just started the proto of my antweight, basically a 3kg one again using 7.2v of nicads, that big HC970 motor with a pulley CA glued onto it (broken shaft or not!) that powers a 150mm 300g vertical bar. i havent measured the pulleys but i guess its around 1:3 (so its like about 20,000 on paper i think) and with no bearings or decent shafts it shakes and squeals like theres no tommorow. but if it works it works, and it has been consitently bouncing my 100g rc car off the roof of the garage. and not falling to pieces, a bonus for me lol. the drive is still the super awesome cybot drives.
ill replace this with a 370 motor for the weapon and make it lighter and faster as well as dropping the volts down to 4.8 for the limit.
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Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:13 pm |
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3Faze
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 99
Location: Lincolnshire, UK
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quote:
Originally posted by original_carnage:
 I just noticed that SOZbot is not a recognized size (and weight) by FRA rules.
Isn't Australia in line with the FRA? Do we run FRA antweight or SOZbot ?
Any thoughts? I'll happily do eithor but would rather do whichever will end up with the most competitors / competition.... which seems to be SOZbot from the previous feedback...
The main reason the FRA don't recognise soz's over here is that they aren't a widely accepted class, there's less than 10 of them in the UK, and there's never been a real fight.
I have both a sozbot and antweights (NLF and 0.3Faze respectivly). A big problem that I have with sozbots is that they are hard to armour against the sort of weaponary that is very easy to create in that weightclass (NLF can go one on one with an engineering brick and not break a sweat). Antweights tend to have a good balance of weaponary and armour, which makes for some crazy fights. Strange as it may seem, the size limit never seems a problem, a 150gram 4 inch cube is a very low density.
The main problem I have with ants, IMO, is the banning of metal armour (which is basically there so the committee members' cardboard flippers can still be taken seriously). A real ant, such as the Ti box that is 0.3Faze would basically drive through one of these bots.
As for arenas (not mentioned so far) an antweight arena is so much easier to make and move than a sozbot one. My ant arenas will hold anything in the class, cost less than £50 each to make, can be erected, single-handed, with nothing other than fingers in 20 minutes and can be moved in the back of a small hatchback quite easily. My design for a sozbot arena would cost £100's to make, need a van to move and take 2 blokes about 2 hours to put up. If you're not dealing with spinners, ants can play on the table in a pub easily, soz's need a bigger surface.
Were it me, I'd go for ants everytime... unless they were being run by the British AWS committee.
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