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Knightrous
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Finally worked out the sound system for my Silvia Razz Tested half of it today, just need to buy the full setup in a few weeks time. Sounds fairly good to me. Will sound better when the second set is put in and it is all mounted properly. Thing I like about it is the $90 cost Very Happy


My new sound system will consist of a pair of Creative SBS 370's. Specs below:
Power Rating:
21 Watts RMS
38 Watts System Power
Satellite Speakers: (Rated @ 10% THD @ 1kHz)
5 Watts RMS per speaker (x 2 speakers)
Subwoofer: (Rated @ 10% THD @ 1kHz)
11 Watts RMS
Signal to Noise Ratio:
75 dB
Overall Frequency Response:
40 Hz to 20kHz
Price: $45

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OK, so you're either stirring me, or are serious.. Smile

I think it might work, but what are you powering it from, or do you have a several hundred kilometer long extension cord ? "wink:
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Post Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:02 pm 
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I'm not stirring Cool If i had the cash spare, I would pick them up today while I'm in Brisbane (At LAN Cafe). The unit runs off 11.5v 1600mAh AC... or 18VA according to the power pack. I was going to look at finding a way of converting 12vDC (Car battery) to 11.5vAC @ 50hz to power the full unit. Oh the fun Very Happy
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All you need there is a 50Hz oscillator (a 555 or even a picaxe08 could do it), a couple of power transistors and a suitable transformer.

The tricky bit will be finding the transformer with the right turns ratio and power handling you want. Should be too hard though, 18VA isnt a lot of power.

Then you just use the oscillator run power transistors to drive a square wave into the transfomers primary at 50hz.

You might like to test it first if you have an inverter around somewhere to make sure that the speakers have sufficient filtering in them to not be bothered by a square(ish) AC input.

Most wont, but some cheapies will develop a hum from the harmonics produced by the square wave corners rather than the nice smooth sine wave of mains power.
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Post Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:27 pm 
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Andrew has an inverter he runs his house off sometimes, so I might take SBS 370's over to his place to test them next time there is a LAN over his way. Cool

You wouldn't happen to have any links for something like this, Brett? If you don't mind me asking, but why is a transformer needed for this? I'm not clued up in this and I would like to learn more Cool
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if you didnt mind "modifying" odds are there is a rectifier inside the speakers power supply, put a bigass heatsunk LM317 in TO3 package (3A $14 at jaycar) to make whatever voltage is coming out of the rectifer in the power supply and bypass the rectifier.
no AC then.
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whether you need to go with the "make your own AC" approach or the "Bypass the AC stage" modification will depend on whether your speakins in built amplifier design requires a negative voltage rail to function or not.

For true 0v crossing amplification, a negative rail is essential to generate the bottom half of the waveform under 0v. An AC input allows the power supply in a speaker/ambo combo to generate negative volts by half-wave rectifying the positive and the negative sides seperately. giving you +,0 and - outputs. If you bypass all that and feed it DC, then one half of the output stage wouldnt be able to run.

The transformer in a DC-AC converter design allows the output side to be at a different "zero reference" voltage than the input side. So if you are making a 0v-10v DC square wave into the transformer, by using a center-tapped output wind on the transfer, you can turn the 0-10v DC input into looking like +5v - 0v -5v - still a 10v span, on the output side, but with the "reference" center tap breaking it into the plus and minus portions of the wave.

So, if you amp uses the 18v AC input to generate a negative portion of the wave, then you need the DC-AC concertor to power them, if the speakers just rectify the 18vAC into +DC only then you can bypass the power supply and do what jake said..

If you're not sure, well, you have to multi-meter around for a bit in the power supply area and see what you can figure out. find the input diodes on the amps power supply and determine whether the AC input is being half or full wave rectified and what voltages its being turned into. An oscilloscope would help here, but you should be able to swing it with a multimeter..
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you could make the 12v AC using an H-Bridge of transistors rather than a 1:1 centre tapped transformer.
That'd be pretty easy, as long as the diodes in the speakers don't cook due to the high switching speed compared to a sine wave system.
A decent sized inductor in series could help smooth it out I guess.
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Lol I just saw this thread. Just thought id brag about the stuff I bought yesterday...but i wont have it for another 2 weeks cause it has to get posted out here..

2x Fusion 12" Powerplant Subs (I plan to buy another two when I have the money)
1x Soundstream 880W RMS 2-channel Amp (And I also plan to buy another one. )

A guy I saw at sydney had the same setup and the damn thing pumped out over 150db! What a shame I dont have a car yet so I just have it in me room lol.

That reminds me.. Ive got a few Pioneer subs and an amp for sale if anyones interested..

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You have all that car audio gear and you don't have a CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked
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Yah I know it sux but ill have a car in about a month or so. lol the sound system will probly end up bein worth more than the car...

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I need a little help wiring my new amp up!
It's a dominator 40w x 2ch amp. I need to power it of 12v worth of batteries or a power supply. Only problem is i can't get it running!
The imput side for power has "+12v" and "GND" but also has something called "REM"... applying power to only "+12v" and out thu the ground doesn't power it up Sad ALSO i tried foolishly to apply a positive current thru both the +12v and REM and ground out, which powered the units led up... but makes a regular scratchy (somewhat music related) burst through the speaker followed with silence then another burst and so on... If this is a componant failure im not too fussed seeing as its an ancient amp i basicaly got for free...!Smile
Any tips please?
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The remote connects to the remote wire from your deck
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LOL sorry forgot to mention i'm using this amp for my workshop stereo/portable stereo... and im assuming my ipod is my deck in this case? Then where would the remote wire be? Confused sorry im a complete n00b at this (please dont kill me arron!)
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Not sure whats actually sent on te remote wire, could be a low vltage but someone else should answer that, have no idea
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