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Spockie-Tech Site Admin
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Hmm.. calculating the ratio of a lead-screw. interesting question.
I'm not *certain*, but I would think you would do it by working out the ratio of the driving gear to the driven gear..
Measuring the diameter of the driving gear will give the distance it travels per RPM. Spin it 20 or 50 times (to make a measureable movement distance), and measure how far the driven gear (shaft) has moved.
I'm not sure if you should measure the inside diameter (bottom of the tooth groove) or the outside diamter (top of the teeth). perhaps the middle ?
The diamter ("length" effectively) of the driven gear x the number of turns you did divided by the length of the driven gear
should
give you the gear ratio to multiply your torque figure by (ignoring drive losses)
The its just a matter of the ratio of the distance from the driven-point-to-pivot vs the end-point-to-pivot ratio to work our how much your lever increases or decreases the force.
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:08 pm
Totaly_Recycled Experienced Roboteer
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I think that it is the pitch of the thread (ie how many threads per cm or inch ) is what determined the ratio .a finethread will take many more turns to move the part a cm than a corse thread would so the fine thread would give you more torqe but slower speed a corse thread would do the oposite .
Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:11 pm
Spockie-Tech Site Admin
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yes, but if you want to work out the numbers, you need some way of turning the "fine" or "coarse" threads into a travel number.. _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:24 pm
Daniel Experienced Roboteer
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Jeez, talk about making things complicated.
Since we all seem to be ingnoring the huge loss due to friction:
Power in = Power out
Power in = rotating velocity (rpm/(2*pi*60)) * torque (N/m)
Power out = linear velocity ((rpm of the rod / 60) * thread pitch in meters) * Force
If the drill does 550rpm, 16Nm and the pitch of M10 threaded rod is 1.5mm or 0.0015m:
(550/2pi60) * 16 = ((550/60) * 0.0015) * Force
Force = 1.459 rad/sec * 16Nm / 0.01375 m/sec
Force = 1697.7N or 173kg
Of corse if you measure the actual force it will be a lot less then this because there is a lot of friction on a zinc coated threaded rod and nut. You will be a lot better off just trying to crush some scales as Prong pointed out.
Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:28 am
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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I looked up some manufacturer's sites and they all quote around 35 to 40% efficiency for similar diameter and pitch lead screws. At 40%, 69.2Kg from a 9.6V drill is still very respectable - its like having a guy standing on your bot with a spike _________________ Australian 2015 Featherweight champion
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:51 am
Nexus Experienced Roboteer
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Have to agree with Daniel. In my experiences the friction loss element can be huge. Make sure you lubricate things and a good way to test efficiency is try running it at low voltage and see how it performs. _________________ Bots that do not destroy you, only make you stronger.
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