lol yeah ok well why not brett blame the other half lol

ok let me know when the arena floor is going to be put in cause i will help (sundays are probably the best if not than thursdays but i should be able to find a way to help if its any other day... i hope)
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just to let you all know ,i am swamped with work sadly 7 days a week from now till early april .....the floor is ready to go when ever you want to do it ,but ill need a hand to get it all down stairs ...sadly i wont even have time to help put it in but ill help with materials etc ....
i am going to struggle getting to events in the 1st few months of this year and if things in my buisness keep going as they are ,its gonna be struggle all year ,and SORRY will be the same sadly ,cant see me getting time to rebuild .but ill try and make as many rounds as i can ...as for the floor well i start back on boxing day and will be there every day from then till april so it can be picked up when ever you want to .....just call and let me know.
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ok well lets organise a day that suits most of us (looks like maby sundays maby to get it done but i will try and get in and help any time i can
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Hi Chris, I'm glad to hear your design style and business sense is proving so successful - hope you can make it to at least a few events.

@ sveryone else- It sounds like we will need to load my van up with floor tiles. I am free on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday if anyone can give me a hand. We could cart the tiles over to Jeff's place and look at what's needed to do the assembly.

I don't know what style flooring Chris has, but the leveling feet can sometimes be a pain to install and will probably take a whole day to get right. Dos anyone have access to a laser level? We will probably also need to cut tiles to size on two edges and the 'pro' installers use a bandsaw with a metal cutting blade for that.

If we are really lucky, we will have enough tiles to make the low inner walls as well. The tiles are really tough but being small (around 50cm square?) they will need support from behind.

Before we get too carried away with fancy designs, let's get the materials over to Jeff's place and check it all out. Any takers for later this week?
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well i could prob help.

message me with details also if possible what free day u have to do basilisk and orbit work.
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im available all weekend (post christmas boredom)

i can probably organise to shove some tiles in the back of our magna, ill check that out.

not sure how youll go cutting the tiles, the levellers are at the edges of each corner on the tile, and i think they have concrete inside of them??

the levelling will be a bugger, each leg has little screw in feet that go up and down so i envisage itll take forever.

while where at it lets dynabolt that front wall in as well. ive got a new 700w impact drill so i want to give that a nice work out hehe

name your day sir and ill be there.
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this week is no problem for a pick up ,ill be there ......all you need to do is find the lowest point on the floor and either run a string line and wined up the levelers to touch it or ill give you a couple of 2400mm straight edges and you sit a spirit level on to and work from the lowest point .....
the tiles are 600x600 and the arena as it is at the moment i think is
4.8 x 6.0 so 600x600 would work perfect ....but i suggest moving the front wall out of the waywhile constructing the floor and moving out the steel benches would help as well .....i would suggest building the floor to a size max that doesnt require cutting ...i would start from the back corner ,not the door side ..and work from there out ,that way the arena will stopp short of the doorway and avoid the door problems ......the adjustable feet were origonally liquid nailed the the floor ...but being tied to 2 walls of the shed no sideways movement should occur and just a few green plugs down to the floor would be heaps ....i think there is 40 square metres of flooring so that will mean about 80 tiles
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Here is part of a post I made in the 2005 Annhilator thread. I'm adding it here so people can't miss it and hopefully to keep discussions more focused:

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For the whole of the next NSW season, there will be two seperate running scores:

The original score for each bot, just like last year, with all the same rules. There will also be a new team score, which allows a team/builder to make as many different bots as possible as long as there is a clear one event / one bot / one driver relationship. The points for each different bot accumilate towards the overall team score.

This allows a team to build a whole fleet of bots if they want to, but only one bot per driver can compete in each event. The thinking behind this dual scoring is that some builders prefer to build and perfect one bot for the whole year and win the season like Chris did. Other builders (notably Bort) prefer to build many bots that might only last one event. The skill and effort of this is not recognised in the original points system, and required the parallel team score.

You are probably already saying that this second score favours rich teams with several members - and it could. On the other hand, Bort has built three interesting bots for virtually no money using largely scrap parts. Teams who don't like that style are still able to win the season trophy for the single bot category. The two categories are seperate & equal.

I didn't completely agree with all this at first, but the longer we debated and refined the ideas, the more sense it made. Jeff J. as the event organiser will probably want to add to and correct my post and I think NSW will have a more exciting and innovative season due to these innovations.

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Yep all sounds good, the only thing I will add is that I think you are mixing Bort and I up Nick, Prong is me, Lindsay, Bort is Courtney. Bort and I both built Robort but i built tread and fork. and yes I love building lots of robots out of scrap bits, its more fun that way!

Sorry about that Lindsay umm, Prong - Its hard to get details right at 3am.

Can you recall what we decided about the sharing of bots outside their own team? I think it was allowable to have an outside driver for a spare bot (which encourages bigger comps) and any points gained were split evenly between the driver and the owner.
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iam a bit confused
is there going to be 2 seperate events run on each day ???
1 group of battles for the [stay the same] bots each day
1 group of rounds for the [changing bots] each day ....
do the [stay the same] bots vs the [changing bots ]...or is it seperate
if this is the case is fair that a person with the [the same bot ] has to compete against ever changing bots .....

The other alternative is just make it open slather and make it teams only comp but with a 2 bot per round limit .........this means that a team can have 6,7,8,9,10 ..100 bots in its stable, but only sellect 2 per comp round and each must be driven on the day by seperate people.
i think this would please most folks ...
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sounds good, is the tally for the ever changing robots just a trivial sort of thing and the one for the same robots the main score system?

and i believe chris we all battle the same people and robots, its just the scoring system is seperate..

and about that tornado tag team, not sure what you mean in that all the robots are active in the arena at the same time? does that mean itll be like the last tag team but with all the other robots just sitting in there?? that one got me quite confused.
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p.s. should we say friday to cart all the tiles over to jeffs and figure out what to do with them?

might get the chance to flash around my new antweight
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Ha, I knew I should have written an even longer post about the scoring .

The two scoring systems are based on the same battles with the same bots. None of the action during a competition day will change at all. Points will be awarded for each battle just as before.

Here's the difference: when we are counting up the running scores, we have two spreadsheets. One has the names of each bot that competes, while the other has the team names that compete. Each time a bot earns points, its recorded under it's own name on the first sheet and under it's team name on the other sheet.

If a bot is retired or sits out a few events, it stops getting points on the first sheet. The team's replacement bot gets added to the first sheet and starts it's score from zero. On the second sheet, the team score continues to accumilate with the replacement bot's scores added to the first's.

At the end of the season, the first sheet will show a winner for the bot that competed the most and did the best over the year. Teams who had several different robots will be near the botom of this list even if each bot won battles, because they didn't compete in many events. This could be called the Individual Bot Championship.

The second sheet will show the winning team that had several (or many) bots active during the season. Each bot might have only won a few battles, but collectively the team won more points than any other. This could be called the Team or Builders Championship

It could well be that the best bot winner and best team winner is the same for some seasons. I think Chris would have won both if we went back over last season's scores. Next year, with the new incentives in place, we will probably see different teams win each trophy.

When we talked this over at Marayong, it was realised that there were two equally valid approaches that teams were using. I would call it evolution vs revolution. Chris takes an evolutionary approach and steadily improves his bot Sorry. Prong takes the revolutionary approach and builds numerous specialised bots such as Tread which is virtually spinner proof. What we saw is that the current scoring system for the season winner completely excludes the revolutionary approach. Rather than just replace it, we figured out the dual championship idea. This will likely add to the number of bots competing in NSW and increase the diversity as well.

To keep things even, each team has to have a seperate driver for each bot that they bring to an event and the driver cannot change to a different bot if the first one is eliminated early - pretty much the same as before.

There were some some other issues discussed I am a bit hazy about:

Should a team with more bots than drivers be allowed to recruit a driver from another team or get a friend to drive? This could bring extra people into the sport, so its worth considering. On the downside, it allows a multi bot team to gain more points per event towards the team trophy.

If the above situation is allowed and a driver from one team drives another team's bot should the points in the theam trophy score be split equally betwen the two teams? in the individual bot trophy, the bot would get all the points, whom ever drove it.

As you can imagine this was argued back & forth for quite some time. Jeff J & the other guys finally settled on the dual championship as the best way to keep everyone happy and stimulate the most competition.
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Just to confuse you even further this is Bort, I"m using lindsay's user because the internet server seems to be terribly slow at the moment.
Besides Lindsay is too drunk to make any coherent reply.

Anyways, Nick I fully understand why you may be confused with what was discussed last event, it was a fairly chaotic and jumbled discussion.

What I believe was agreed was basically what you said except that it was a driver's championship not a team championship. In other words me and Lindsay might cooperate when it comes to building robots and in a sense may be teammates, but are tallied as individual drivers.

This way it does not benefit to have more drivers. Thus negating your point about multiple bots and drivers.

Each person turns up with one bot per event to compete with. That bot gets scored and they accumulate that bot's score to their own drivers score.

If a person wants to bring along another bot to play with, that is fine. But it cannot be entered into the competition on their behalf.

Now the exception to the rule, coz there is always one, is that if a person wants to bring along their robot for someone else to use, due to the other person being without a robot and so forth then that should be allowed. This rule is up for discussion as it has negative points. But basically as an example, since scrap has been out of commission for some time, if someone were to donate thier old bot for Andrew to compete, he would accumulate points with that bot, and that bot would continue to accumulate points.

But don't worry about that too much. Another clarification is with people like Jake and Russel who are effectively one driver, but two people operating one bot. In that case they should nominate one person to receive the points just in case one of them decides to drive another bot at another stage.

So to reiterate what Nick said; The competition would be run as usual. Each driver must have one robot, no swapping during the event. The points that you score are tallied to the bot's points and the drivers. If the person opts for another bot the next event then the driver continues those points and their new bot gets new points.
If they keep the same bot then the bot continues itapoints for that event and the driver does so as well.

The logic behind this is that it does not favour either way for the driver's championship. The driver's championship being the most important because it is neutral and competitive. The bot points would be a side championship, but could possibly be used ofr seeding if desired.

Just in case anyone is still confused.... Welchy i know you looked puzzled while we talked about it.

Tim turns up to round 1 with bot A. He comes first. Bot A scores 10 points, and Tim scores 10 points.
Tim turns up to round 2 with bot A. He comes second. Bot A scores 8 points for a total of 18. Tim scores 8 points for a total of 18.
Tim turns up to round 3 with a different bot, bot B. He comes first. Bot B scores 10 points. Tim scores 10 points for a toal 28.

There, I hope that explains it.

AS for the annhilator. The idea was to have a tag team event, so in other words nothing annhilator about it. The Tornado Tag Team comes from wrestling, you know WWF, WCW etc, or should I say WWE, you know rock'n'roll wrestling.

Anyway, in that two people take on two other people without the usual tagging of the other person into the ring. All people fight at once. So robots would be paired and fight 2 on 2 all at once. The fight wouldn't stop in this case until both parties are eliminated or judges decision. A slight deviation from the wrestling format but more suitable for our type of fight.

It was felt an annhilator stlye match (the proper type) was neither interesting or viable.

Well herein ends my ramblings