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Robot 1 - Vertical circular saw
Robot 2 - Twin stacked hole saws
Robot 3 - Crusher
Robot 4 - Pneumatic flipper (My brother is donating Hellcat to be converted)
All will be 12V. All will have the same drive train. All will be the same except weapons and styling. All will need at least 5 MDF outer chasis.
Would it be possible to borrow four 4-channel radios from Toowoomba Nick?
It is still just an idea. Give me 4 weeks to finish scribbling.
Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:20 pm
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Sydney, NSW
Sounds promising! You probably already know it, but keeping as many parts in common between the bots will really save construction time. Are you bothering with any weight limits? Down here, we were thinking of anything between the Featherweight and lightweight limits and any sort of weapon except spinners - rather like the 'sportsman' class in the States. For this type of bot, I think its important to just go for "crowd pleaser" and not worry about any convertional bot rules. _________________ Australian 2015 Featherweight champion
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:51 pm
Rotwang Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Vic
Happy to help, I might be build, donate, loan some parts.
The Scorpion XL’s work nicely with 100W scooters and 24Volt SLA’s that’s the combo I have been working towards for my kit bot drive project. _________________ Satisfaction is proportional to effort and results.
He mentioned this a while back. _________________ Steven Martin
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:24 pm
kkeerroo Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Brisbane
No.
But one thing I have also been looking into, and now that the NSWers have posted about it I thought I would mention it, is forming an incorporated club. This would be fairly simple to do and would involve having one Annual General Meeting every year (at an event) and giving some trusted people titles like president and secretary.
The upside to doing this is that as an incorporated club we would be a legal entity. That means the club could own property (like an arena), buy insurance and, this is the important bit, apply for a government grant to pay for these things. Unfortunately we have already missed out on the first round of grant applications for the year and the next ones wont be until June/July but I would like people to think about it.
The next post will be one of bretts antiestablishmentarianism posts. but it is either this or I start my own robot event production company and run it by myself. but I am getting very little sleep as it is. _________________ Get Some!!!
Secretary of the Queensland Robotics Sports Club inc.
And what are the four MDF bots being used for? (May have mentioned this but i didn't pick it up) _________________ Steven Martin
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:58 pm
Spockie-Tech Site Admin
Joined: 31 May 2004
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nah, I'm over ranting about the perils of clubs, you've all heard it before.
You guys want an incorporated club, go for it. Do we have a seconder for the motion mr president ? _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:10 pm
Nick Experienced Roboteer
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With the club (or company), you only have to use it as a front if you want - have the necessary meetings, do a bit of paperwork, skip all the politics and reap the benefits mentioned. It only gets ugly if a club is formed by people who WANT to play politics, and that isn't us _________________ Australian 2015 Featherweight champion
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Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:16 pm
Spockie-Tech Site Admin
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not *yet*.
I know most of you guys dont worry me about that. Very few people want to play politics when a club *starts*, its what happens a year or three down the track when more members join who arent necessarily "friends", and there is some prestige and power to piss off those they dont like , but dont say I didnt warn you _________________ Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people
Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:32 pm
kkeerroo Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Brisbane
after going through the Queensland legistration on incoporation of clubs here is what we need:
Four club members to act as president, vice prsident, secretary and a treasurer as well as four witnesses for the meetings.
a constitution which will be declared at the inaugural AGM
regular meetings including an AGM
and minutes of the meetings made available to all.
once these are done we can register the club and become incorporated.
I am currently trying to find out how to go about registration. _________________ Get Some!!!
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:29 am
Philip Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Queensland near Brisbane
You might also want to find out about the cost of compliance. You should talk to your friendly accountant about this. _________________ So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems
Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:35 am
Daniel Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Gold Coast
quote:Originally posted by marto:
And what are the four MDF bots being used for? (May have mentioned this but i didn't pick it up)
The guy we were talking to mentioned that he wanted to have a compitition on the radio where people win tickets to be able to drive a robot in the compitition. At first we kind of ignored him because we thought it was a random idea, but after the 3rd or 4th time he mentioned it we started to get worried. This idea would have quite a few problems along the lines of finding spare robots, people's ability to control them, the crowds enjoyment, people's expectation on the damge they can cause, ect....
But then we had an idea about making 4 easily damaged and repared robots that can be run seperate to the main compitition. Easy to control, easy to inflict damage and quick to repair are what we are want so we can keep everyone happy.
As for my brother's club or business idea's, he is just wanting a way of getting money for the arena. The arena needs to be placed in an area that currently has a gravel over the ground. We need a frame under the floor or we'll never get it level enough to get the wall ups, which kind of rules out the Sidetracked arena. But what I have draw is almost the same as the Sidetracked arena and I really should have grabbed some pictures of the other computer.
Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:19 am
Rotwang Experienced Roboteer
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Location: Vic
Going back a few years I incorporated 2 clubs.
Back then there was one very good reason for doing this.
It gave members protection from getting sued and loosing everything.
If you did something stupid at a club event you were still personally liable but if you were just a member you were safe.
The club might loose all its assets but individual members assets were safe.
According to the people running one of these clubs nowadays this is no longer the case to the extent that they sold off the club car as it was decided that it was too risky to let anyone use it.
Translate this sitch into Robot Combat.
The clubs arena fails to contain debris and someone is hurt, they sue and by being a member of the club you’re all liable so by having a club you have to have insurance.
In a private back yard comp something happens and you’re just a group of friends and acquaintances, you claim on your home insurance.
An Incorporated club holding an event in someone’s back yard might be a different thing.
The FRA has insurance to protect their committee and they don’t even run events.
In Vic we have been very fortunate in that Brett, Daniel and Sidetracked have taken the risks and provided insurance.
We have 2 arenas and run public events without the hassles of clubs.
If you are determined to set up a club my advice is get the kit, work out any changes to the model rules but keep them minimal, spend some time with a solicitor to check it. _________________ Satisfaction is proportional to effort and results.
Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:24 am
chrisjon65 Experienced Roboteer
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its up to the discretion of the club as to whether insurance is neeeded it is no longer compulsery....if we were to hold battles in a mobile arena at for eg the penrith show ,we would be under their insurance.so once again no insurance is needed.
in the case of the private battles the way to solve it i guess is to make it members only and visitors are signed up as temporary members ,like they do at football clubs and rsl clubs ,that way legally they are all members _________________ Photos - http://community.webshots.com/album/154092733uokpXC
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Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:28 am
Rotwang Experienced Roboteer
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Wonder why Roaming Robots insists that you have to be a financial member of the FRA before you can compete at their events.
Funny I thought someone said we wouldn’t have to join the NSW club to attend your events. _________________ Satisfaction is proportional to effort and results.
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